my daughter was here last night, she asked if i knew about john travoltas son dying.
i said yes, her reply was... scientology wouldn't let him take medicine and thats what killed him.
i said, well actually, the news said he was taking meds but they no longer were working for him.
They get all into Sarah Palin's personal life but regarding the Travolta's they don't mention what effects their religion played in their son's treatments.
Uh, Sarah Palin was running for the second highest office in the land, with a guy in his 70s and history of health problems. Travolta is just an actor.
Besides which, even most of the media have enough decency not to start ripping a family who has just lost a son.
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has anyone on this board attended college or knows anyone who attends as an active jw?
how many remain in the organization after graduation?
i was baptized in 1988 and was encouraged to stop college after 2 years.
I went to college about ten years after I graduated high school, should have done it sooner. It helped that this was after they loosened up on higher education, but I would have done it anyway. I didn't really get any flack over it, but at that point I was already starting to slide, went from a pioneering MS to irregular meeting attender.
It was a couple more years before I got out completely.
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i've been watching the sky show tonite as the velvet curtain of night slowly fell...........there is a beautiful crescent moon, with venus at right angles to her..........i also saw the three planets about two/three months ago...........i am loving the huge windows in my fourth floor apartment........i see sooo much up here!.
terri.
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beginnings are always difficult.
wherever one starts, there is always the question: what was before that?
this question comes from our sense of objective causality - that everything must be preceded by its cause.. must everything have a cause?
Life here... began out there...
So say we all!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqnv3g6cpi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdh_h_pko8m.
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My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend!
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i was curious about the worldwide scientology protests today, so i attended the one in minneapolis.
it was interesting.
it was bitterly cold with subzero temperatures and high winds.
I'm no fan of Scientology, but I think this whole "Anonymous" thing is kinda stupid. Like people don't already know what a wacked out cult Scientology is? The whole mysterious "messages" on youtube, with the digitized voice... very juvenile.
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i am new to this site and would be classified as a fader, i just go to maybe one meeting a week and am nearing the end of my fading process.. what bothered me first was the pedophile problem then just reflecting on how crazy jw's act, i think they are too obsessed with worshiping men, especially the gb, elders, co's, do's, its just too crazy.
i've personally seen elders do some very wrong things and they don't get in trouble at all.
then i realized that these men are so corrupt because they don't believe what the wt teaches.
Keep in mind that the real issue is not whether the WTBTS is an NGO or not. By definition, it is an NGO, a Non-governmental Organization, just like many other churches and groups.
The real issue is that back in 1991 they registered with a branch of the UN, the DPI, and in doing so agreed to support the goals of the United Nations.
And as this thread indicates, they continue to get involved -as an NGO- with various events and organizations, many of which are clearly of a political or interfaith nature. Such "worldly" involvement would probably be very surprising to the average dub, who is repeatedly told that as a JW, they must be no part of the world and be politically neutral.
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do you think jehovah is the father of the watchtower society?
So, Velta, let me get this straight, the reason this person's prayers weren't answered was because he was using the wrong name for God? So God can see what this child is going through, he can see him praying desperately for help, but doesn't bother to do anything? "Sorry kid, that ain't my name, nothing I can do for you." What a loving God you have!
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ok last night while sobering up from a long day of drinking i started thinking; could doctor/patient confidentiality protect one from being dissfellowshipped?
that is, could one tell a doctor he wants a b.t., but must keep it secret.
the doctor would have a right to keep the procedure from the family or any other interested parties.
My understanding is that nowadays (thanks to Bulgaria) its no longer a DF offense. A JW who freely receives a blood transfusion is considered to have DA'd himself by his accepting it. Makes it nice and simple, no need for a JC, they put all the blame on the individual.
The trick then, is to take advantage of the privacy laws that exist regarding patients and their health care. Of course these laws vary from one country to another, and JWs working in medical institutions have been known to violate HIPAA rules.
And of course you need to be prepared to lie to any elder that gets too nosy. Remember that its none of their business anyway, don't let feelings of guilt trip you up or cause you to lose any sleep over it.
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ladies and gentlemen..................... pass on this big peice of crap.
i went to see it today....... omg........ has will smith in it............ and it sucked.
made you so damn depressed........ .
Went and saw it today. It was ok, not great. I think I still like the Charlton Heston version better, but I haven't seen it in years. I just remember the zombies scaring the bejeebus out of me as a kid when I first saw it.
There were some interesting easter eggs in the movie, like Shaq announcing his retirement, and a poster indicating a Superman/Batman movie coming out in 2010.
And I kept looking, weren't there some shots of Watchtower buildings in the movie, when he is at the pier looking at the bombed out bridges?
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